Part 1) Roger Christie, the leader of the religious movement, The THC Ministry, I personally know very well. He recognized me January 4, 2008 in the Hawaii Tribune-Herald as a visiting Baptist Minister with the authority to practice and administer the Holy Anointing Oil. I just spent the past several months witnessing to him and renting an office suite in 94 Kamehameha ? The Moses Building ? where his Ministry is located. I must say I am extremely disappointed with the behavior I have witnessed from Mr. Christie. I do have to thank him for introducing me to the truth of the Scriptures in Exodus. Sadly, he has totally rejected all of the other Scriptures of The Bible that describe how a Priest is to behave and what God he is to worship. I believe him to actually be a leader of a witch cult known as wicca or mystics. He has also admitted to me to be a (supposedly past) CIA operative.

Part 2) I have come to understand that this man?s real intention is to destroy true Christian?s ability to practice their religion of anointing and healing through the Holy Anointing Oil. Let me go ahead and guarantee you right now if you have one of his THC Membership cards in your possession you will find no protection there. See Hawaii Supreme Court / State vs. Sunderland. Roger Christie left Joseph underland with the wrong defense and a public defender in Hilo, Hawaii where both of them live, even though Mr. Christie is associated with several lawyers in the area. It is my understanding that Mr. Christie did not even bother to show up to Mr. Sunderland?s court hearing when Mr. Christie knew the devastating effects that losing this case would bring. I had pointed out to him years earlier and several times by e-mail the correct defense to use to avoid court completely. Mr. Christie told me that it was the ?Silver Bullet? but yet I am the first true Minister to reveal this truth to you, which has been revealed to me by God Almighty himself. He even took this information off of his website once I pointed out how strong that information was. If Roger Christie is not a CIA agent illegally operating in the United States then ask yourself this: Why did Mr. Sunderland get arrested and taken to the Hawaii Supreme Court over a pipe and Mr. Christie has a big marijuana sign and plants in his office out on Main St. and he is not arrested?

Good to hear your story. If nothing else you forced me to do some research on my own which could never hurt. I am always up for a good debate. I was a bit off about you as you were me. I am not Catholic and not a member of norml. I try not to lie and am certainly not a child molester but the one that really stung....the lowest shot...lawyer?? Come on man give me some credit. This topic is quite interesting. I myself was raised luthern. Drifted away from church. Went back to an evangelical church for a while and am now on my own again. Looking to find another now. I have just kinda been hanging on to the Cross for now. Would like to chat with you further sometime. You raised some interesting points and topics. Check out the site I mentioned. I have been going there for some time and there are some good minds and topical discussions there. Even world politicians have been known to peep it out. Btw I meant peace the way it was intended which I believe was to be kind and of service to your neighbors. Be they friends or enemy.

Part1) Yeah, RandyL I guess you did get hit with both barrels. I really was not even writing about you. You were just the excuse to get the message out. Did you hear that the Pope today publicly refuted the war in Iraq? Well, now you know to whom I was sending that message. By the way Benedict I was referring to the war on drugs. The longest lasting war in the history of America, not Iraq. Besides Isaiah 13:14 and Jeremiah 30 foretell of the rise of the children of the Medes, better known as Iran, who would begin suicide bombing and rise up to fight the Anti-Christ when he will be the spiritual head of the United Nations and attempt to control the world through worshiping Babylon the Great, Mother of all Prostitutes and Obscenities in the World, Rev. 17. The beast represents the seven hills of the city where this woman rules. By the way Rome has seven hills around it; does it not?

Part 2) The details of who I am exactly would take too much time. Let me just say I am very different from anyone you have ever met before. My direct ancestors in 1643 brought the first Ana-Baptist Church to America from Wales. They were crucial developers to the first Baptist Churches to be built in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas. I am a Baptist Minister that was dedicated to the Lord after birth in the fashion you can read about in Luke 2:22 and Lev. 12:1-6. The Church that laid hands on me to establish me as a sent out Pastor my family helped to build in 1841. It is the oldest existing Baptist Church building west of the Mississippi River. This Church was established before, and helped to establish, the first Southern Baptist Convention. This Church also gave authority to establish the first African-American Baptist Church in the United States. When a white supremacies group burnt down the Church were they were to have their first convention they were allowed the hold it at our Church. About 99% of all African-American Baptist Churches received their authority to baptize their members into the Kingdom of Heaven from my Mother Church. I am very honored to include Ministers such as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in my Brotherhood. I am a Priest of the Bride of Christ, a Child of the Grooms Chamber belonging to the Order of Melkisadec. I am fortunate to be allowed to be part of helping to mature the Bride (Church) for the soon arrival of Yahasua by revealing the Sacred Secrets that have been spiritually lost until now. You will not understand what I am telling you now RandyL but then again this really is not written for you.

Well I had nice little reply to this but it seems to have been taken off. Don't know why It's not like I did anything nasty like call you a child molester or a liar. Well I kind of called you a liar. Welp it was fun talking to you. Really. If you would like to discuss more I welcome you to a site that allows open debate. www.liveleak.com if you are not already a member. Stamos69 is my ID..

Psalms 23 4 Even though I walk in the valley of deep shadow, I fear nothing bad, For you are with me; Your rod and your staff are the things that comfort me. 5 You arrange before me a table in front of those showing hostility to me. With oil you have greased my head; My cup is well filled. -Thy rod and thy staff. Did King David stutter? Do you really believe he meant your stick and your stick comforts me? Of course he did not. He meant thy Cannabis and thy staff comfort me. One protects spiritually and one protects physically. You know what was in the Holy Anointing Oil that covered the head of King David. Qaneh Bos 1 Samuel 14 29 Then said Jonathan, My father hath troubled the land: see, I pray you, how mine eyes have been enlightened, because I tasted a little of this honey. -You sir and your Priest of the Anti-Christ hath troubled our land. You give your penance or sacrificed works of Cane to the humane man in Rome that claims to be the mediator between God and man. I read in the Bible there is only one mediator and His name is not Pope. This truth will sting many out there. Good! You all are liars and child molesters. You support these Judas Priests who feed on the weak. You Sir are a betrayer and a blasphemer. NORML I mean RandyL you sign off with peace? What the same peace the Pope offered Hitler to turn his back for the money while the war claimed millions of lives. You and the Anti-Christ now are turning your backs on this improper war that has claimed millions of live for the same reason money.

27 But Jonathan heard not when his father charged the people with the oath: wherefore he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand, and dipped it in an honeycomb, and put his hand to his mouth; and his eyes were enlightened. -Soldiers did not carry rods into war with them. They carried a sword, shield and spear. Only the plant Qaneh Bos, better known as Cannabis, could fit the description of these Scriptures. They came to a field of Cannabis with huge dripping buds. Buds have seeds or grain in them. The Priest of Levi made ring shaped bread molds to hold the oil they would burn in the Holy Temple (Numbers; Chapters 7&14). The Scripture states Jonathan grabbed the stalk of a big dripping Cannabis plant, pulled it off with his hand and ate it. Then his eyes were enlightened. The Hebrew text says his eyes glistened like the stars. What happens to people eyes when they have Cannabis in their systems? Exactly, they get glassy eyed. -You say this cannot be right? You eat honey till your eyes are enlightened are shine like the constellations. Now that the truth of the Scripture has been revealed to you about the meaning of the Hebrew word mistranslated as rod let us look at other Scripture where this word is used.

1 Samuel 14:25-30 (King James Version) 25 And all they of the land came to a wood; and there was honey upon the ground. -How do you come to a wood? You cannot. The original text states they came to a field. Throughout the Bible we find that sap was referred to as honey. The syrup of a fig was also referred to as honey. Other references to honey, not just coming from bees, can be found in Numbers 13:27. When have you ever found beehives open on the ground? Understanding this, as well as knowing that the rods were made from the Qaneh Bos, will help to show the true intentionally hidden meaning of these verses. 26 And when the people were come into the wood, behold, the honey dropped; but no man put his hand to his mouth: for the people feared the oath. -How could honey drop if it was on the ground. The Oath you can find in scripture was for them to not eat bread. How could honey be considered bread?

RandyL, quisnam factus vos servio!

I have known Bill Wilson for a very long time. In fact I, for a long time, answered the 800 number and had to go into some of the most dangerous places around. You sound like a thirteen stepping dry drunk attorney. Good clients in the program though, I bet.

You quote State v. Sunderland ? www.capital.hawaii.gov/ Controlled Substances Act Hb3105 - States on 22 (b) Nothing herein shall: (1) Apply to so-called Christian Scientists; provided that the Christian Scientists practice the religious tenets of their church without pretending a knowledge of medicine or surgery.

The very law they used to bring Sunderland to court clearly states that the Government does not have the right to a legitimate compelling interest to regulate religious use. Am I wrong or has Hawaii been found to be one of the most corrupt court systems in the Nation and now will this incorrect judgment be used to restrict everyone?s freedom? What is really sad is that this same court found that Mr. Sutherland had the right to privacy in his home and the Hawaii Penal Code 712 states that he did not have that right. The best part of this is that this man fought this all the way to the Hawaii Supreme Court over a $125 fine and now he and Roger Christie refuse to appeal this improper decision. Mr. Christie also did not show up at the trial and left him with a public defender in his own city.

oops religiosity and thou.... Dang spellcheck..I am keeping the thologist though. peace.

Oh and on a side note. It is the holier then though "Christians" like yourself that make the fence sitters want to say the hell with the entire religion thing. Your egotism and religeosity are very abrasive. You should stick to service at a behind the seen level and leave the preaching to the well hearted....Me thinks. : ) GODSPEED!!!!!

See as I said I am no theologist but I don't have to go to the sun to tell you it's hot. People can twist that book to fit any agenda. So when If i decide to sacrafice my first born I will be sure to call you for some legal advice. last part "Allegedly, in 1903, the British physician Dr. Creighton was the first to determine that several references to cannabis can be found in the Old Testament. Interestingly, no one can seem to document this claim. Then again in 1936, etymologist Sara Benetowa (of the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw) allegedly discovered the connection between kaneh-bosem in the Old Testament, and the original Semitic Hebrew origins of the word cannabis. Again, where's the proof of these allegations? Anyone can say anything; but without proof, it is only conjecture at best."

To continue: "Some modern "scholars" have claimed that the King James translators mistranslated the Hebrew word "qaneh" (pronounced "Kaw-neh"). They did not. It amazes me how ignorant many of today's self-professed "scholars" are. You don't have to be a scholar to understand the truth, all you need is the Holy Spirit of God (John 16:13). These "scholars" claim that in Exodus 30:23, "calamus" was actually "kineboisin" --which is the Hebrew word for cannabis (hemp, or marijuana). Where did this "scholarly" information come from? Suspiciously, there are only a couple sources of this NEW information. There are a few different claims, but the most recent and weighty was allegedly from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in 1980. Even more suspicious is the ridiculous claim that a few people have found a NEW truth that theologians and translators have missed for thousands of years. Do you really believe that? If you do, I have some swamp land in Siberia I'd like to sell you. "

LOL..Are you serious? you last spoke on the 7th. If I was not bored I would have never came back to this story. Here my friend. "One of the favorite attacks which Bible-corrupters like to hurl at King James totin' believers is that the King James mistranslates the word "calamus" in Exodus 30:23. According to Nave's Bible Dictionary, calamus is "A sweet cane of Palestine - Song of Solomon 4:14; Ezekiel 27:19; "An ingredient of the holy ointment - Exodus 30:23; Isaiah 43:24." The 48 King James translators were educated men and knew what they were doing. They were extremely proficient in the Hebrew and Greek Languages. The calamus was mixed with cinnamon and myrrh to form an oil for anointing purposes. It is ridiculous to twist the Word of God in order to justify smoking pot!"

Randy L.

What's wrong? Cat's got your tongue? Me thinks the spirt of the Roman soldiers and Pharisees' got ya' by the short hairs, me thinks that spirit has made a meat puppet out of ya'. So how bouts' we bet our eternal souls? I bet everything Yehashua says is true. So grab your fiddle and polish up your bow. May the God's of luck be with ya'. 'Cause I'll have Yehawah Elohim standing firmly with me. And you'll be like a one legged man in a fanny kickin' contest.

Melchizedek

I will repeat myself again if he is smart this will not even make it to court. The law, which is being used to bring him to court, clearly states that it cannot be used for that purpose. You probably work for Norml as a lawyer. I informed them of this fact and they wanted to argue with me that the state law did not state that. I asked him if he had ever read the law and he told me he had not. I told him to talk about what he knows not what he thinks. There is too much money in defending clients to really care about them.

Even during the years of alcohol prohibition the Catholic Church was able to have wine. They also were allowed to transport alcohol and give it to minors. I do not know if this man will be convicted. I do know that being guilty is not a requirement for conviction in an American court of law these days. The law this man broke is driving while intoxicated. Not illegal use of marijuana.

I understand where you are coming from. I am not theologian and would never pretend to be though I do find it all interesting. Both in the spiritual sense and intellectual. I know Christians are not the only folk to use chemicals be it natural or otherwise for spiritual purposes. Heck even Bill Wilson the founder of alcoholics anonymous tried lsd to break down the ego as to create a clearer pipeline to God. But I still believe this guy has no chance. See State v. Sunderland. The state supreme court of hawaii Citing precedent to reject the applicability of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act to the states, the court held that under controlling law, the state has a legitimate "compelling interest" in regulating marijuana use, and thus, "the free exercise clause of the First Amendment is not a viable defense."

This is going to open new debate which is always good however he is going to pay his fine me thinks.

Scripture reveals to us that even if this man at the time of his arrest did not have the knowledge of the Scriptures, which are being revealed to everyone now, Yehawah instills into the heart of man this knowledge. Psalm 19 contains a description of two ways in which God has communicated with us: general revelation and special revelation: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. William Barry and William Connolly write, ?Our faith tells us that God communicates with us whether we know it or not?. He shares himself with us even when we do not know that He is doing so?. We are being ?spoken to? continuously.?

Romans 2:14-15 (New King James Version) 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them. Example through scripture: Genesis 20:9 And Abimelech called Abraham and said to him, ?What have you done to us? How have I offended you, that you have brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? How did he know adultery was a sin? He was not given the law of Moses. 6 And God said to him (Abimelech) in a dream, ?Yes, I know that you did this in the integrity of your heart. For I also withheld you from sinning against Me; therefore I did not let you touch her. 7 Now therefore, restore the man?s wife; for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you shall live. But if you do not restore her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours.? The Lord God has now revealed to you the truth, Sweet dreams. By the way I do not smoke but I have been shown the increasable healing powers of the oil of Yehawah.

I?m glad you brought up your comment that this man has broken the law because there are a lot of people out there that need this wisdom from the Holy Spirit that I am about to share. Each state from the late 1960?s to the early 1970?s established a state law that made the use of marijuana illegal. Every state law that is now used to prohibit marijuana clearly states that this law cannot be used to prohibit the religious use of marijuana. Which means that once the Prosecutor is informed that your use of Marijuana is for religious use they cannot prosecute you with that law. No exceptions. If the prosecutor proceeds with the case based on that law they in fact are guilty of breaking the law and they should rightfully be prosecuted and sued for damages. You say that this man did not produce a card. Although a card is nice to have as a defense it is not required under the law that you must have one, or that the arresting Officer must be notified. I hope this truth helps you to Alabama.

Correction: I did mention that the Indians failed which they did not completely. However their argument is not going to work for this chap. I will still make that wager... Don't know how I slipped like that. I guess it was the aspirin.

Let me make this clearer. what I meant was there was ONE verse which even mentioned that cannabis was in the "recipe". Then whenever smoke was mentioned it somehow pointed to weed. .. If you believe other translations , the ones you choose not to believe then each subsequent verse mentioned is null. It is was your camp that took one verse to make your entire argument. I am not religious nor a pothead. You may be both I don't know but in a court of law this guys defense will not work. The Indians tried it and failed. This guy will try it and fail. Care to wager? The argument about pot causing cancer is not weak. Would you really want your children to put that in their lungs? Yes or No? If you even read my post I am actually for legalization but for rational reasons and for adults. However with liberty comes responsibility and this guy would still fry in my society for driving high. I don't know how many ways I can put that.

I would not use religion to back up my argument though. There should be no need. Besides the bible its self has enough contradictions let alone the other religions that have their own "needs" to base law from.

I just love people who want to build their entire argument off of one scripture. Please read the duties of a Priest of the tribe of Levi and you will see that they were required to be in a closed up tent full of smoke, the tent was called the Holy Temple. The comment about lung damage is weak. Enough sugar, aspirin, or coffee can kill you, marijuana cannot. The only problem the government has with marijuana is the fact that if legalized the crystal meth, cocain and pharmaceutical drug sells will decrease. You know a Congressman who wants to be reelected cannot have that. PRAISE THE HOLY NAME OF YAHASUA!!!!!!!!!!

On a side note there yehosuha....does not smoking cannibus thus damaging the lungs contradict the entire body is a temple treat it with reverence thing?

What I meant was you picked one quote from the old testament that even eluded to cannabis assuming your translation is correct. The rest talk about using it in ceremony not smoking it. I am talking about this man who was driving high using the bible and religion as a defense which is what this story is about. I am glad you say that you do not defend him as his defense is crap. If anything you should be mad that he is using your religion for his own gain...not that anyone in history has ever done that. But when you countered with the tithe being old testament as if this guy had a point i took it as that. I apologize for sounding combative but the point I mentioned above really burns me up no pun intended. Personally, even for recreational use I believe it should be legalized but not abused.

Randy L, with all due respect, I count 14 New Testament quotes and 8 Old Testament quotes. Apparently your arithmetic skills aren't any better than your Bible skills. Furthermore, I'm not defending Mr. Henry. I'm defending the truth, and the truth is that in 1611 when most of your modern Bibles were translated, if you were caught with cannibus you were called a heretic and were burned at the stake. Believe me when I say I've done my research both biblical and historical. Cannibus should be used for prayer and medidation, not as a substitute for alcohol or drugs, nor should it be transported or distributed. But the government has no right to interfere with my free practice for my religion and I can assure you that this is a legitimate religion. Any Judge that would dare oppose my position is standing not only against the Constitution of this great nation, but also against Almighty God.

Oh so now we are picking and choosing. Funny most of the scripture you quoted is old testement..Ok..well it has been proven that inhaling gungi into the lungs is bad for the ole lungs...so does that not go against the whole body is a temple thing? As far as the translators weed was not so socially unacceptable when earlier translations of the bible were made so why would they hide it?

I am sorry but you are never going to convince me that when Jesus comes back he is going to roll out of a van like specoli in a puff of smoke. Like I had said plenty of times. I don't think pot is the plague of mankind but please don't twist the bible to justify this man breaking the law. If that's the case then he should be tackling abortion doctors on their way to work rather then driving around HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are no longer under mosaic law. Please show me in the New Testament where it states that a Christian is obligated to a 10% tithe.

That's all fine and dandy yehosuha ...How bout we go back through this clowns records.. If he has given 10 percent of his income for the last year to the church any church (assuming he has an income) then I say let him walk free...if not...CRUCIFY HIM!!!!!!!!!!

Part 3: In the Old Testament, whenever someone wanted atonement for their sins, they went into the tent of meeting and/or the temple; they burned incense so that their prayers would be carried to God. In the New Testament, the Bible states that the Temple of God lives in you. How could you possibly fill the temple of God with this restful odor unless you are inhaling the holy smoke?

As one of God's holy chosen ones, I would strongly suggest that you researchy the truth of this matter without prejudice, because to reject or speak abusively of something holy is considered blasemphy.

In all sincerity of spirit and truth, may God pull the plugs out of your ears and the scales from your eyes and open your heart to the truth.

Yehashua

Part 2: In the New Testament, this same oil was used to annoint Jesus before his crucifiction at Matthew 26:7-12, Mark 14:3-9, Luke 7:37-38, Mark 7:46, John 11:2 and John 12:3-5 shows that Jesus was covered with it from head to toe.

This same oil was used by the Disciples to heal the sick and to cast out demons at James 5:14, Mark 6:13 and Luke 10:34.

At Revelations 22:2, it states that the leaves from the Tree of Life will cure the nations. This is the same tree that is talked about in Genesis 3:22; that if you partake of this tree, that the devils control will be lifted from you and can lead you in the direction of everlasting life.

Furthermore; the word Christ means the annointed one and the word Christians means those who are annointed with holy annointing oil. How could a person possibly call themselves a Christian if they reject the holy annointing oil.

Part 1: Cannabis Hemp is one of the many blessings that God gave to man as stated at Genesis 1:11 and Genesis1:29, and we are commanded to appreciate and to use all of God's creations as long as it is received with thanks, as stated at 1 Timothy 4:4. At Exodus 30:22-25, God gives the recipe to Moses for holy annointing oil. One of the key ingredients of this oil is cannabis hemp. The Hebrew word qaneh-bos is translated as sweet calamus, aromatic cane or sweet cane. Evidently, the bible translators are trying to hide the fact that this is marijuana. This oil was smeared or sprinkled on everything holy such as the priest, the tent post and everything that was put on the altar as a burnt offering. Whenever it was burned, as the smoke ascended into heaven, thus; the prayers of those seeking atonement for their sins became a restful odor to God as stated at Exodus 29:18. The 7th and 15th Chapters of Numbers will explain all of this very clearly. Also at Revelations 5:8 and Revelations 8:3, it backs this fact up about the smoke carrying your prayers to heaven. When God spoke to the holy ones throughout the Old Testament, he always spoke through a cloud of smoke. At Isaiah 10:27, it shows that the devils control can be broken with the holy annointing oil. Even Jesus returns in a cloud of smoke, because at Luke 21:27, it states that Jesus is coming in a cloud with power and glory.

I agree there mt. To bad this guy was not doing either.

As long as you're not driving under the influence or taking care of kids, whatever you do in your home (or church) should be nobody else's business.

LOL..."Green" earth ministries. I do agree that our society is infected with reefer madness however if you were flying rev shoop would you want your pilot looking at all the evil in the world rather then landing the plane? I would hope not. So why are you defending a stoner who thinks it's ok to drive stoned on our streets?

This IS a true religion. True Christian religion. In Genesis, God gave all the plants to mankind to use. He didn't say, "except cannabis." Cannabis is one of the main ingredients in the holy oil of Moses, as well as the burning bush, and the "smoke of the tent." And doesn't it say that Jesus will return in the clouds? Hmmmm...

Open your mind for just a minute and maybe you will realize that the reason this PLANT has become deemed such a "devil weed" by our government is because its use opens that switch in your mind that allows you to see all the evil in the world.

He is not "blowing smoke up the judicial system." He's standing up for the rights of every American to practice the religion of their choice so long as no harm is done to anyone.

BRAVO BOB!! Reverend Brenda Shoop, RN, BSN Green Earth Ministries

I've known Bob Henry for more than 30 years, if this is his "religion", he must have been "practicing" it for a really long, long time.... long before this "church" existed. OMG, he should have been one of the founders! LOL He's blowing pot smoke up our judicial system.... Send him to jail and then a long long rehab stint that involves getting a real job, like building homes for the underprivileged in our society.

RevJack, i think one more hit off the pipe and you should be good to go

Actually, Cannabis has a long religious and spiritual history. Long before Moses gave us the recipe for the Holy Anointing Oil " Exodus 30:22 Then the LORD said to Moses, 23 "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels [c] of liquid myrrh, half as much (that is, 250 shekels) of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant cane(in Hebrew Kaneh Bosm, in Latin Cannabis) , 24 500 shekels of cassia?all according to the sanctuary shekel?and a hin of olive oil. 25 Make these into a sacred anointing oil, a fragrant blend, the work of a perfumer. It will be the sacred anointing oil." The same oil given to the Apostles by Jesus to anoint the sick. Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Scythians, Dagga and many others knew the value of this amazing plant. (google "Jack Herer" to learn how it could save the world. then read Ezekiel 34:29 &Rev 22:2

Bet he had some of that maui wowwie....That's some good stuff (from what I hear) :)

MAN, I just luv this story, where do i sign up for this religion ?????...... ( as i take another hit from my bong)